The
Director General and CEO of the International Air Transport Association
(IATA), Alexnadre de Junaic, in this interview said liberalisation of
African airspace is hindered by sovereign and government control. He
also said cost control is a major key to successful airline operation.
De Juniac spoke to journalists at the just concluded IATA AGM held in
Seoul, South Korea. Chinedu Eze brings the excerpts.
East
Africa has been expanding and building new airports and in your speech
you raised the issue of
the cost of infrastructure, how can the region
recoup funds expended on such infrastructure? You also said airlines
operate in high cost environment in Africa, how can this unfavourable
situation be reversed?
On the
cost control of big investment either on traffic management and even
more on airports, the solution we always propose is to have a very early
collaboration with users mainly airlines. To define a project which is
at the right level in terms of size, in terms of level of service at the
right level for the airlines that are serving the airport. So those
managing the airports should have broad and early stage consultation
with the airlines. This is very important in order to avoid building
facility that will be very expensive or will have inappropriate design.
So you will have highly expensive infrastructure and with a wrong design
that will not fit in with airlines’ expectations.
I was surprised when IATA talked about
congestion in the European airspace and calculated that the manpower
loss would be huge, but in Africa it is a different thing, we don’t have
that problem, we are struggling with Single African Air Transport
Market (SAATM), and it is neither here nor there for now. What are the
impediments to achieving SAATM?
I
think they are similar to those of the Yamoussoukro Declaration. First
is the political reason because you are touching a subject that has to
with sovereignty. You have economic reasons, start up airlines are not
comfortable with the incumbent airlines, sometimes; but also governments
want to protect their airspace and their operators against what they
perceive as threatening competition from more established carriers. And
thirdly, for those countries that don’t have operators (their own
airlines), they are sometimes hesitant to open their borders because
they think that it will kill any initiative to build a national or flag
carrier. So the reasons why SAATM is yet to be fully embraced include
protection, political control and sovereignty issues.
That has
affected airlines in Africa and they are yet to grow and are very weak,
and we believe that IATA will push further on collaboration, so how are
you engaging governments in Africa?
We think
that any initiative that is favourable to opening the sky is generally
favourable for airlines. It generates traffic and usually it allows the
creation of new airlines and the expansion of existing airlines, then it
brings prosperity, GDP, jobs, and so many other things.
Is there a cooporation between Africa Civil Aviation Commission (AFCAC) and IATA?
Of
course, all the time; we were in Rabat (Morocco) not too long ago and we
held specific meetings on the subject (SAATM) with all the regional
associations along with the African Development Bank, the Head of AFRAA
(African Airlines Association) and AFCAC. That effort actually led to
the release of funds from the World Bank to the African Union to support
the conducting of the 55 countries study to show the value of aviation
across all of Africa. That study will be conducted before the end of
this year, which will be used to convince all the governments in Africa
of the economic values of opening up their skies and opening up their
borders to increase interconnectivity. So we continue to work in
partnership with all the regional bodies and the specific governments
within Africa.
Why are there divergent views about SAATM, since it is an opportunity to advance air transport in the continent?
It is politically motivated and the political situation of each country is different. We have seen that in Europe.
How many African countries are still with airlines’ blocked funds? Are there other countries apart from Angola?
We have
solved the problem, both in Nigeria and Egypt as well and prior to that
in Sudan as well. There are problems now in Zimbabwe with $73 million.
We have started discussions with the government of Zimbabwe. We
immediately start discussion anywhere there is a problem of blocked
funds on different levels until we reach the highest level of authority
in that country and in this case the Director General of IATA will be
traveling to Zimbabwe in July to meet the President and address this
particular issue.
If I
was to appoint you the CEO of my airline, Kenya Airways or Ethiopian
Airlines in Africa, what will you do to make sure that you operate
profitably?
When you
run an airline, wherever it is, it is not particular to Kenya or to
France or to America; the cost control is permanent and a key obsession.
We are a cost-driven industry and the competitiveness of the
organisations in the sector is linked to cost control. You have to have a
good product adapted to the market segment you are addressing. It is
useless for you to propose a first class where nobody is able to afford
it. And as I remember in Africa not having a business class is also a
mistake because you have a lot of people asking for that as well. And
thirdly I would also invest on distribution system and digitisation of
distribution to improve the efficiency, the market access and reduce the
cost of distribution. The digitisation has heavily impacted on this
part of the business, probably the main impact of the distribution and
saving cost. Distribution method is key; the next is customer relation
management systems.
What
will you do about fuel in the continent because your report said Africa
pays 35 per cent more than other regions on aviation fuel?
We are
lobbying each state in Africa to reduce taxes on fuel by all means. What
makes the fuel price expensive can be attributed to physical
restriction on supply; it can be taxes or the supply chain. Lifting up
monopolism in certain airports where there is only a single fuel
supplier thereby giving other suppliers the free hand to operate and
compete. Africa is not the only place where the cost of fuel is high,
India is the same for various reasons, the cost is also high in Brazil,
which is a big oil producing country. IATA has been lobbying everywhere
to see that the prices of aviation fuel are reduced. It is such an
important cost factor for us.
According
to IATA projection, in 2035, passenger traffic in Africa will double
and there is this desire to have expanded infrastructure that will meet
the passenger surge. But most African countries or the governments
cannot build airport facilities and IATA is not inclined to
privatisation. How best do you think this can be achieved?
We tell
government that you have to manage your infrastructure. You have several
ways of doing it and please be cautious before rushing to privatise.
You have management contract, you have concession contract before
selling the asset, so we urge government to consider all possibilities.
Whatever system they choose whether it is privatisation, concession or
selling of the airports, we have a kind of guidelines to tell them how
to proceed. Based on experience, we have seen so many bad arrangements
and a few good ones but we have been able to establish a kind of guide
of best practices. And we understand that many governments might go for
privatisation to attract private funds because they don’t have enough
budget or public funds to finance the airports. But we advise that they
be careful because privatization is not the magic solution.
On
SAATM, we have 28 member-countries that have joined the market. I think
the major challenge is the arbitrary charges. A Nigerian airline going
to Ghana or Senegal may face outrageous charges to discourage it from
coming. So is IATA looking at having uniform charges?
Yes,
not uniform but at least there is ICAO (International Civil Aviation
Organisation) principle will be applied and we try to make this
principle applied in each country in terms of airport charges. So ICAO
has prepared standards and we ask them to implement them as world
standard. And we also follow that with the framework that we developed
which is called the IATA smart regulations framework. That really helps
authorities when they issue regulations that will impact this bilateral
agreement between countries that they will really take into
consideration all aspects when they have done things properly. So
regulations will be friendlier to the aviation industry rather than
hurting it. So, the ICAO standard and our own smart regulation framework
that we are actually advocating will solve that problem.
You
said safety in sub-Sahara Africa has improved substantially, but would
you say there is a bias or subconscious bias when events happen in
Africa? It is like the initial thing that hit the West is, oh, it is in
Africa; they always get it wrong?
If you are referring to the Ethiopian case, frankly it was not the first reaction. I heard the blame is on the plane system.
Even
with the improvement in safety, over 25 per cent of airlines in Africa
are yet to meet with ICAO standard and recommended practices? What are
you doing about that?
It
is not only airlines that have not met the ICAO safety standards. It is
actually the regulators and authorities and both ICAO and IATA are
working in partnership in organizing workshops, trainings, issuing
documents and initiatives to help the authorities, airport operators and
the airlines to lift up the safety standards. We have the ones that
relate only to airlines, which is IATA Operational Safety Audit (IOSA)
and ISAGO (IATA Safety Audit for Ground Operation), by implementing the
standards of IOSA and ISAGO, it automatically you would uplifted in your
compliance of ICAO recommended standards. So they go hand in hand, and
ICAO has accepted IOSA as means to uplift countries standards to what it
should be.
At what stage are you bringing Africa in on the turbulence awareness system?
It is a
product we are developing and when the product is available, that is
after the trials and after the systems acceptance; the airlines will
subscribe for it.
We learnt that the fee for the turbulence tool will be $10,000, is it going to be one off or annual fee?
I am not sure that the pricing model has actually been established, and again it is still in development.
For
many Africa youths who aspire to work in the industry, many of them want
to first do some IATA training but for those developing countries it
looks as if it is still a very big challenge to them financially? Is
IATA thinking of making them more affordable?
There
are two things you said, one, for people who are trying to enter the
industry who are not yet employed by an airline or airport. This is one
aspect that we have looked at when we redesigned our training strategy.
And we have an ongoing programme to really look into the entire way of
how IATA offers training worldwide and then regionalise it and the
priorities in each region. The cost could be managed by introducing
technology, so it could be online training rather than instructive
training. The traditional instructive training is normally expensive; it
is not because IATA makes it expensive, it is because of the cost of
the instructors and the logistics. So digitizing the training channels
will help in reducing the cost and make the training material much more
affordable and available for youths around the world not only in Africa.
I
want to know the level of collaboration you have with regulatory bodies
like the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and others in ensuring
air safety?
Usually
we have quite a good level of corporation with the FAA but we are not
doing the job at that place. For instance, in the Boeing 737 Max, we are
not in the certification process. We just express our need to have
harmonised, aligned, collaborative certification process.
If
you look at what FAA did on the issue concerning the Boeing Max, are you
optimistic that when the aircraft is recertified people won’t be
apprehensive to fly and buy the equipment?
People
will probably be apprehensive that is for sure and that is the reason
why we are urgently pushing the regulators to have this transparent,
aligned and collaborative process of recertification to restore
confidence into the system. This is because the confidence has been
damaged and it needs to be restored and properly too. Otherwise it will
blow not only on Boeing or FAA, it will blow on all the aviation system.
Middle
east carriers have adopted a number of procedures to adjust to
situations and slow down with growth to confront the current flight
challenges. Are those procedures efficient to help Middle East carriers
to overcome those problems?
For
me it is difficult to comment on individual airlines or group of
airlines. The measures that are being taken by the Middle East carriers
are classical measures of usually capacity control or programme
reshuffling. The only difference is that for the Gulf carriers it is
something pretty new, compared to the other carriers that have not had
to do it for decades. So it depends on each carrier, so it is difficult
to give you a precise and uniform response.
What is your evaluation of the airlines in the Middle East in the last three to six months?
We
have published regional figures; Middle East in terms of profitability
is suffering more than US, of course, and Europe and even Asia and
Africa. So their situation is probably worse.
One
of the problems that you mentioned was about constricted airspace in the
Middle East, what kind of dialogue is IATA having in trying to
encourage the opening of the airspace?
Usually
we ask the civil aviation to do two things: to invest in better
technology and also to corporate more. In the Gulf before what happened
with the blockade, there was already a problem of closed corporation to
optimise the design of the sky. After the blockade it has become even
worse, so we are pushing governments to cooperate when the political
situation allows it. We do work jointly with all the civil aviation
authorities and we also leverage our relationship with the Arabs civil
aviation organisation. That is the association for all the civil
aviation of the Arab countries, to leverage their ability to bring all
to the same table and do the two things mentioned here which is
investment and technology and investment in integrated redesigning the
airspace of this very congested area. And it is an ongoing process.
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